1. Krista says:

    September 16, 2011 at 7:30 am

    I don’t feel the same way about the first line of that song as you do at all! I don’t think that it is saying we don’t know anything outside of the Bible. I think it is simply saying that we don’t know about the love of God without the Bible. Without the Bible, people may think that any higher power is hostile and out to destroy us. If all they have is nature to look at, for example. The song, IMO, is just saying I know that Jesus loves me because I have proof in the Bible. it says he loves me, it tells me what he did to prove it, and it says that he was doing the will of the father so therefore god loves me as well. I see that as a comfort. That even when I’m feeling my lowest, and it seems the whole world is against me, the Bible tells me that god still loves me. That I cant do anything to change that! To me that is pure comfort, not an insult.

    • Martha says:

      September 16, 2011 at 9:42 am

      That’s definitely a more positive interpretation of the song Krista. I have a hard time viewing anything written about religion/Christianity outside of the Bible as positive because I know it was written by humans. I felt so much mind-control surrounding religion and have fought to separate what I believe from what I was essentially, forced, to believe as a child.

  2. Elizabeth says:

    September 16, 2011 at 7:58 am

    Wow. Its like I wrote this post. I too am neither agnostic or atheist. But, in my own way, I believe. In what? I don’t know. I too like going to church, although I never do it. I like the ceremony of it all, I guess. It reminds me of my grandmother and of a time when I didn’t question what I was told. I just believed. My husband has similar beliefs but seems to somehow feel guilty that we aren’t exposing Olivia to Christianity. Its not that I’m hiding her from it, but I’m not going to “teach” her something that I don’t believe to be factual. But, surprisingly enough, I am starting to feel the need to share my belief that there’s a higher power. A few days ago, I inadvertently said “God bless you” to her when she said something really cute and she said “God? What does that mean?” I felt bad that she had no idea what I was talking about. I’m really at a loss as to what to tell her. When my boys were little, I was at a much more traditional place with regard to religion. What do you tell Annika about God? Do you tell her that he/she created her or has Toyin’s input taken care of that? I just know that if I give Olivia a little bit of info, she will want more. She’s going to ask me very specific questions that I simply cannot answer. I’ll take any advice you have to offer. 🙂

    • Martha says:

      September 16, 2011 at 9:51 am

      Yeah, I never go to church either, but when I do, for instance, while visiting someone who does, or whatever, I usually enjoy it. I did go to a Unitarian church for a while when Annika was a baby, and at the time, I had planned to start going again when she became old enough to leave in the nursery and we just haven’t gone back. Perhaps Unitarianism is something you could check in to?

      I haven’t told Annika anything about God. I am not sure what Toyin has told her. He does plan to start taking her to church eventually, but hasn’t yet. I took her to a Buddhist service for a little while, but she was just in the kid’s room, not really hearing any of it.

      I think that I will answer her questions as they come up. At some point, I will probably feel the need to feel her out and see what she’s heard, and then discuss it with her. Living in Texas, she’s going to hear a lot of it.

      If I was in your shoes, with a husband who basically thought the same way I did, I would probably just wait until she was school age, ready for a bit of academics and then I might introduce it with stories and talk about how our culture views it, in very simplistic terms. I would probably say things like, “Well, some people believe this, and then some people believe that.” I’d give her some comparisons. Maybe talk about what I was taught as a child and then what I grew to believe and disbelieve.

      I really think all we can do is present our children with all the information we have.

  3. tymetravelife says:

    September 26, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Whoa! The whole religion thing. I have such a hard time getting past the fact that the bible was written by men & as a result, maybe with the exception of Mary Mother of Jesus, all women are basically evil, or at the least manipulative. I’m not sure if any part of my suspicion–no downright paranoia–has to do with my exposure to feminism, the Salem Witch Hunts, the history of slavery, Jim Crow, etc., or the practice of sending Christian Missionaries to colonized continents in order to civilize the savage masses. God! Too many triggers for one person! lol, Debbie Downer over and out!

    Good luck with all that ; )

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